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want of wit: do
you not agree. Yes. And now reflect, Hippothales, and see whether you
are not guilty of all these errors in writing poetry. For I can hardly
suppose that you will affirm a man to be a good poet who injures
himself by his poetry. Assuredly not, he said; such a poet would be a
fool. And this is the reason why I take you into my counsels, Socrates,
and I shall be glad of any further advice which you may have to offer.
Will you tell me by what words or actions I may become endeared to
my love? That is not easy to determine, I said; but if you will bring
your love to me, and will let me talk with him, I may perhaps be able to
show you how to converse with him, instead of singing and reciting in
the fashion of which you are accused. There will be no difficulty in
bringing him, he replied; if you will only go with Ctesippus into the
Palaestra, and sit down and talk, I believe that he will come of his own
accord; for he is fond of listening, Socrates. And as this is the festival
of the Hermaea, the young men and boys are all together, and there is
no separation between them. He will be sure to come: but if he does not,
Ctesippus with whom he is familiar, and whose relation Menexenus is
his great friend, shall call him. That will be the way, I said. Thereupon I
led Ctesippus into the Palaestra, and the rest followed. Upon entering
we found that the boys had just been sacrificing; and this part of the
festival was nearly at an end. They were all in their white array, and
games at dice were going on among them. Most of them were in the
outer court amusing themselves; but some were in a corner of the
Apodyterium playing at odd and even with a number of dice, which
they took out of little wicker baskets. There was also a circle of
lookers-on; among them was Lysis. He was standing with the other
boys and youths, having a crown upon his head, like a fair vision, and
not less worthy of praise for his goodness than for his beauty. We left
them, and went over to the opposite side of the room, where, finding a
quiet place, we sat down; and then we began to talk. This attracted
Lysis, who was constantly turning round to look at us--he was
evidently wanting to come to us. For a time he hesitated and had not

the courage to come alone; but first of all, his friend Menexenus,
leaving his play, entered the Palaestra from the court, and when he saw
Ctesippus and myself, was going to take a seat by us; and then Lysis,
seeing him, followed, and sat down by his side; and the other boys
joined. I should observe that Hippothales, when he saw the crowd, got
behind them, where he thought that he would be out of sight of Lysis,
lest he should anger him; and there he stood and listened. I turned to
Menexenus, and said: Son of Demophon, which of you two youths is
the elder? That is a matter of dispute between us, he said. And which is
the nobler? Is that also a matter of dispute? Yes, certainly. And another
disputed point is, which is the fairer? The two boys laughed. I shall not
ask which is the richer of the two, I said; for you are friends, are you
not? Certainly, they replied. And friends have all things in common, so
that one of you can be no richer than the other, if you say truly that you
are friends. They assented. I was about to ask which was the juster of
the two, and which was the wiser of the two; but at this moment
Menexenus was called away by some one who came and said that the
gymnastic-master wanted him. I supposed that he had to offer sacrifice.
So he went away, and I asked Lysis some more questions. I dare say,
Lysis, I said, that your father and mother love you very much. Certainly,
he said. And they would wish you to be perfectly happy. Yes. But do
you think that any one is happy who is in the condition of a slave, and
who cannot do what he likes? I should think not indeed, he said. And if
your father and mother love you, and desire that you should be happy,
no one can doubt that they are very ready to promote your happiness.
Certainly, he replied. And do they then permit you to do what you like,
and never rebuke you or hinder you from doing